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Offline Persephone

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About the Universe
« on: October 29, 2007, 04:11:17 pm »

That's a simple one: Because time itself began with the Big Bang, there was nothing before it. :nana:

Ehm, creation out of nothing? It doesn't make a sense for me, this is not sufficient answer, my mind is to narrow and wants for every question some logical answer :blush:
- but at the same time Because time itself began with the Big Bang, there was nothing before it. is the only theory I can accept cause there's no better available theory at this moment.
Sorry I know, that now I look stupid, but that's me, chronic doubter  :-[

I understand you very well. :) "Because time itself began..." is only right within the current standard theory of the Big Bang. If the theory proves all wrong or needs to be modified, then the answer will have to be different. This is science: Don't hope for ultimate answers - these are the domain of faith - but always be ready to doubt, and always be aware that every answer you get is implicitely "As far as we know today..."

The trouble with these questions regarding the whole universe is that they are inaccessible to human imagination. How many universes have we seen being created? Then how can we judge if creatio ex nihilo or eternal existence is more absurd? :) Our imagination is trained for earthly scales: Centimeters to kilometers, seconds to years, a few hundred Kelvin... what is far below or far above these is unimaginable to us and only accessible to rational thinking, i.e. math. That's why there's no point in waiting for an explanation that sounds understandable.


Well in light of previous discussion...

The closest theory to me, is that one, saying that space as we know it now, was created from chaos... it sounds acceptable that there was just something like huge mess called chaos and in this chaos accidentaly had appeared a germ of order...
Becuase when I admit that there was some order arose not by coincidence, it automaticaly aims to question: What (how was/ or by who...) created the order? (And that also aims to: How was this "Creator"/or whatever You want created, etc...)
Hmm... and I can ask from where came the chaos as well...

These questions are like chain - You can't see beginning nor the end - It reminds me of some kind of snake   :D
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But then again, who does.

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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 05:46:18 pm »
Whell.. Universe from chaos... isn't that just chaotic universe, and nothing more?
What created that "chaos" in the first place? What was before "chaos"?

It is more likely to me that chaos was just a step between Big bang (or whatever) and today's universe.
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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 10:18:06 pm »
Well, I must admit I agree with Markus, that time itself began with the Big Bang. And that the human mind cannot explain what came before time. (Perhaps pre-time? You know, like pre-heating, before you cook)
You know, now that I think about it, the Universe is like a huge oven and we're the ingredients to a cosmic cake. :lol3:
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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2007, 10:39:02 pm »
With bunch of cookies gravitating around each other  :wub:
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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2007, 10:49:00 pm »
I just love this topic. :wub:

Hmm... let me quote one of my favourite songs from the Hungarian black metal band Sear Bliss, Birth of Eternity (Loyals might find it familiar):

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There are memories I find myself
Imprisoned in earthly flesh
But the ground will be shaking
When I unleash my wrath

I have been at the birth of time
I have seen rainbows made of methane
Galaxies were my playground
And the universe will be my grave


I sank into the waters
Of grotesque
I must drink from the fountain of wisdom
For I want to roam

The unfathomed dephts of the universe
Where stars are born and die
And the aeons seem only to a moment
A tiny fragment of endless time





P. S. 0: I'm not sure if rainbows are made of methane. Scratches her head

P. S. 1: I fully accept the definition of The One. :lol:

P. S. 2: I have the strong feeling that chaos is more ordered, structured than the so-called order itself.

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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 04:42:27 pm »
I like the Post Scriptum Second!
And also for me is acceptable the theory of "pre-time"  :D
But then again, who does.

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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 11:05:52 pm »
Oh, and we can view the end of time according to the Big Bang theory (AKA contraction) as the cake being eaten by a certain force. :lol3:
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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2007, 03:48:18 pm »
we can view the end of time according to the Big Bang theory (AKA contraction) as the cake being eaten by a certain force. :lol3:
:wOOt: Cake! .... being eaten! :wOOt:
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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2007, 06:40:49 pm »
Hmm, in last days I was thinking a little about Apocalypse/Ragnarök or however is it called in many cultures, languages...

What do you think about it - do you believe in "Apocalypse", do you think it's necessarily?
But then again, who does.

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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2007, 07:25:12 pm »
Don*t you get the feeling this is all just bullshit..? Like the Da Vinci code..
It can't rain all the time so put a smile on your face and proudly take another step.


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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2007, 07:39:59 pm »
No I don't.

But this is not about my opinion. I have asked the others about their point of view not mine...
But then again, who does.

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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2007, 07:43:32 pm »
Telling the truth..I never actually think about this stuff...Don*t really know for sure what is true...
It can't rain all the time so put a smile on your face and proudly take another step.


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Re: About the Universe
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2007, 10:57:42 pm »
Apocalypse



Letting fall the veils

Maya love hate anger fear

Bathe in morning dew
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