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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2007, 01:53:33 am »
I'd classify Nightwish as power metal.

Bear in mind that I'd do the same with Blind Guardian & Iced Earth.

Now note how the three bands are three points on the Clavicula Nox - that, of course, being a clever analogy with which I try to explain that they're not at all similar. Of course, certain aspects are akin between the bands, but that's just what makes them power metal, IMHO. The feeling, in the end, is what defines them. They are what your heart tells you they are.

Your heart can be dead wrong, of course, but look on the bright side - it could just be dead.


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Right.

Goth? When judging if a band is goth or not, I'm biased towards defining goth in the limits of goth rock and, in my knowledge, Nightwish doesn't have much to do with that. 'Kay, they've got night in their title, but that hardly constitutes a firm goth basis.

The main difference between goth rock and goth metal is, in my experience (considering I'm more into the rock thing, but am a metalhead in my own right), the same as the difference between hard rock and heavy metal. They've both got heavy guitar riffs, bowl-shattering solos and angst-ridden vocals. How do we tell the difference? Well... we don't, really. Sometimes we do - when a band says they're rock or metal, it helps a lot to put things into context. When we consider the goth rock/metal schism, it's a little easier - if it's 80es, it's rock, if it's newer, it's metal. But that's simplifying, really. Technically, the label goth rock applied to a myriad of bands (mostly) from the 80es, that evolved out of the 70es punk scene. Prog punk, in a way. Does it have Andrew Eldritch? Well, in that case it's not self-proclaimed goth, but let's be frank- what the hell is it, then?

But I digress.

I wouldn't say Nightwish is goth. They incorporate elements of goth, mayhap, but not enough for me to even put the label into their genre description.


As for the new Therion, that's prog, baby, with a touch of symphonic. Interestingly enough, it's prog rock by the shape of its elements, but metal by the way those elements are thrown at the listener.

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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2007, 08:57:54 pm »
Nightwish is/was symphonic metal with some power and film soundtrack influences :p
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2007, 04:49:43 am »
I always thought it was Blackened Death metal with obscure and strange outer influences. :lol3:
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2007, 03:40:13 pm »
Nightwish is/was symphonic metal with some power and film soundtrack influences :p

"Some" power is the best definition, i dont kn ow what they have , but certainly is not complete lol


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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2007, 03:53:08 pm »
Nightwish is/was symphonic metal with some power and film soundtrack influences :p

"Some" power is the best definition, i dont kn ow what they have , but certainly is not complete lol
What would be complete power, then?


I'd say they're symphonic power rather than just power or just symphonic. *shrugz*


What is power? *nietzschean mode off*
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2007, 04:06:15 pm »
Nightwish is/was symphonic metal with some power and film soundtrack influences :p

"Some" power is the best definition, i dont kn ow what they have , but certainly is not complete lol
What would be complete power, then?


I'd say they're symphonic power rather than just power or just symphonic. *shrugz*


What is power? *nietzschean mode off*

Dark lunacy kind of power would be full

ps im just pulling the swissman strings (as usual hehe)

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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2007, 05:03:54 pm »
oh shut up you :nana:
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2007, 05:09:41 pm »
ps im just pulling the swissman strings (as usual hehe)
I dunno. I honestly don't know who's kidding anymore and who ain't  :biggrin:

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The thing is, we're talking about the genre of a band whose music is not completely straightforward. I really wouldn't be surprised if someone claimed Nightwish was gothic neo-folk with elements of Wham! or something obscure like that.
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2007, 05:16:01 pm »
swissman is my nickname's annagram ^_^
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2007, 05:42:20 pm »
Does that mean that you're actually a very slow guy who lives on a mountain and sounds like his throat is eternally sore? :afaid:

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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2007, 05:59:12 pm »
nah I'm an unmarried swan :biggrin:
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2007, 06:18:15 pm »
That still says nothing about your living habits and vocal specifications :biggrin:

You could be an evil black metal swan. You know, like in Ugly Duckling, where the main protagonist grows up to play bass in a symphonic black metal band.


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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2007, 06:21:23 pm »
:biggrin: nope i'm a nice symphonic metal swan
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2007, 09:07:48 pm »
mmm :D nightwish is amazing..and marco's voice aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!  :bow: :bow: :bow:  :wub:
end of an era dvd is great  :wOOt:
I'm in love with NW (but not too much like with Therion or Sonata Arctica  :wub: ) :lol:

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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2007, 10:17:11 pm »
Nightwish IS true folk black metal !

No ?
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why is that so important???? you listen,what YOU want to hear(btw,NIGHTWISH are sooooo comercial band  :tongue: :tongue:

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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2007, 10:34:38 pm »
why is that so important???? you listen,what YOU want to hear(btw,NIGHTWISH are sooooo comercial band  :tongue: :tongue:
Oh no. Did he just say the c word?

You're forcing me to rant, I know you are! :bawl:

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What does being commercial mean and why is it inherently a bad thing?
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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2007, 12:02:18 am »
why is that so important???? you listen,what YOU want to hear(btw,NIGHTWISH are sooooo comercial band  :tongue: :tongue:
Oh no. Did he just say the c word?



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What does being commercial mean and why is it inherently a bad thing?

He did,


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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2007, 04:23:38 am »
Heya Hawk,

I think that in our context the following definition applies: Music is commercial if and only if it was made to suit the taste of the masses in order to sell as many copies as possible. It's considered a bad thing because this means a sacrifice of artistic integrity for financial success. Don't you agree that it is a bad thing to play stuff you don't really like, just because of the money?

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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2007, 05:46:59 am »
Heya Hawk,

I think that in our context the following definition applies: Music is commercial if and only if it was made to suit the taste of the masses in order to sell as many copies as possible. It's considered a bad thing because this means a sacrifice of artistic integrity for financial success. Don't you agree that it is a bad thing to play stuff you don't really like, just because of the money?

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So mighty prist, you DO think nightwish is a commercial band or not?


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Re: Nightwish
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2007, 08:09:09 am »
if that's the primary definition of commercial then Nightwish is most definitely not a commercial band... if someone actually cared to read or listen or see more interviews with Tuomas Holopainen, they would notice that everything in Nightwish comes from the heart, not the pocket. People who cannot see that make me very sad.
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