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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2012, 01:20:53 pm »
enjoy the show! 5 days to the show in Warsaw :D

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2012, 02:36:44 pm »
I will, oh Regina Mea Mala.

BTW, when I was practicing the lyrics to "O Fortuna" I realised what a cool opener that is:

"So at this hour,
Without hesitation,
Pluck the vibrating strings!"

And now I'm off. :wOOt:

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2012, 06:37:58 pm »
So here I am, sitting there with some French red wine bought specifically for this occasion, giving the new album my personal first spin.

Strange - this is the first time that I don't get the lyrics of a Therion song and probably won't ever be able to sing along with it. What can I say about the music? It's totally unexpected, something I wouldn't ever have expected from Therion. But it's darkly beautiful, very atmospheric, and you can hear the Therion in it.

So actually this is just another typical Therion-album, isn't it? Unlike all the others before it, rejected by quite a few fans, and still audibly Therion.

Also I think this one is designed to give a lot of space to the voices of Lori  :wub: and Thomas.

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2012, 01:39:31 am »
Strange - this is the first time that I don't get the lyrics of a Therion song and probably won't ever be able to sing along with it.


Same problem here :/

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2012, 07:37:37 am »
to be honest, we can look for them in the internet ;) e.g. original one to  Poupée de cire poupée de son. Let's find them all :)

Je suis une poupée de cire
 Une poupée de son
 Mon coeur est gravé dans mes chansons
 Poupée de cire poupée de son

 Suis-je meilleure suis-je pire
 Qu'une poupée de salon
 Je vois la vie en rose bonbon
 Poupée de cire poupée de son

 Mes disques sont un miroir
 Dans lequel chacun peut me voir
 Je suis partout à la fois
 Brisée en mille éclats de voix

 Autour de moi j'entends rire
 Les poupées de chiffon
 Celles qui dansent sur mes chansons
 Poupée de cire poupée de son

 Elles se laissent séduire
 Pour un oui pour un non
 L'amour n'est pas que dans les chansons
 Poupée de cire poupée de son

 Mes disques ont un miroir
 Dans lequel chacun peut me voir
 Je suis partout à la fois
 Brisée en mille éclats de voix

 Seule parfois je soupire
 Je me dis à quoi bon
 Chanter ainsi l'amour sans raison
 Sans rien connaître des garçons

 Je n'suis qu'une poupée de cire
 Qu'une poupée de son
 Sous le soleil de mes cheveux blonds
 Poupée de cire poupée de son

 Mais un jour je vivrai mes chansons
 Poupée de cire poupée de son
 Sans craindre la chaleur des garçons
 Poupée de cire poupée de son.


ps. 2 days to Therion concert!  :hop:

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2012, 04:55:34 pm »
I can half-understand that... :unsure:
"I am a wax doll". Damned French fetishism!
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2012, 05:00:43 pm »
without a translator I don't understand anything..

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2012, 05:26:35 pm »
You know, come to think about it...
Therion just covered the French precursor to "Barbie Girl" from 40 years ago. It's scary.
"Poupée de cire,  Poupée de Son" roughly translates to "Wax Doll, Doll of his".
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2012, 11:45:45 am »
i wouldnt agree on this part, since the poor devils who "sing" barbie girl would not be able to sing that song.
they are also not able to make any music or play any instrument, they only get computers beat some kind of silly rhythm.

that's imo the difference between music and non-music.


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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2012, 07:30:22 pm »
I'm talking just about the underlying concept of women as dolls, not the actual music.
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2012, 07:48:46 pm »
i see, Jorge. Well, about the musical quality there can be no doubt, I guess. And the lyrics? I daresay that the Waxdoll lyrics are much more sophisticated than the Barbie stuff.

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2012, 09:29:27 am »
about the lyrics, i think (haven't checked them all yet) that is it somehow oriented towards an idea of how to provoke people with songs that are dumb on purpose, like for example summernight city, with equally dumb words, and imo the old covers of scorpions or accept songs aren't much better either.

like baudelaire, for him that collection of poems was pure provocation for his readers, and no surprise a bunch of poems was banned in france for half a century or so. it was something that really hurt the taste or feelings of the time, but now it is consdired fine art and no longer a taboo.
now this album was maybe supposed to have the same effect, and the choice of gainsbourg, who was a delicate provocateur in all the artistic things he did, fits in this frame quite perfectly.

think about les succettes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_sucettes
in the original, the girl (who was 18, so no longer a kid) had no idea she was singing about blowjobs. 
in therion's version, it is even sung by a boy.....  :lol3:   

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2012, 11:06:17 am »
Yeah, kinjarb,

I've stumbled across the same story. The girl was wondering why so many people wanted to see her show. I've even seen a short video sequence where Gainsbourg asks her to explain the lyrics of "Les sucettes" to him. She replies by repeating the obvious content, how a little girl likes the lollipops she gets for a few cents. "And that's all, isn't it?"

She was so pissed upset when she finally understood.

Umm, has anyone told Lori...?

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #53 on: October 26, 2012, 04:16:37 pm »
Again, the idea that the album gave me of hedonism and eroticism surfaces once again... Obviously in a much more sophisticated manner than this century's dollification of women in Pop music. :ninja:
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2012, 04:29:50 pm »
Curiously, just yesterday I was playing the album, when I realized that this particular song is sung by Vickström, the only male singer in Therion right now. And I though:

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2012, 06:38:23 pm »
Well, the song is sung about "Annie", not by her. Thus, any guy singing it isn't put on the consumer-side of this special kind of sweets-industry but rather among the, well, suppliers.

Therefore I strongly disliked its performance by a choir of middle-aged, medium-bellied men. :fish:

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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2012, 07:32:02 pm »
I translated the lyrics from French, and the transation provided was very... eeehhr... awful is a strong word enough?  :blink:  Even so, I think the singer is the consumer... but I can re-retranslate it again. Perhaps another software better than Google Translator?  :nana:

Nah... it doesn't matter. This song is simply for fun, a "divertimento", no need to think further  :biggrin:
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #57 on: November 24, 2012, 10:21:17 pm »
I know a bit of French so I could sing along.. but until now I listened just to a couple of songs and they don't impress me.. Beautiful voices, very atmospheric as said before... But to me this doesn't fit right now, I'm too much into some other stuff.. I will give it a try some time later, when I get out of this loop hole of death/thrash metal and Joe Hisaishi's masterpieces...

Plus, the art work is just ewww  :sick:  I really don't like it...
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #58 on: November 24, 2012, 10:49:32 pm »
I actually find the artwork to be very fitting of the album idea. And well, it's pretty hot.
Just not something I'd show my parents. :biggrin:
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Re: Les Fleurs du Mal
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2012, 12:00:24 pm »
I'm not sure if it's fitting or not to the album idea, I didn't take a look and a hear to the whole album.. but seriously.. it's just loads of bones.. how can that be hot?   :roll-eyes:

ps -  you can see boobs everywhere, nothing hot about them anymore, more than half of world population have them.. boring...
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