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Title: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 08:28:29 am
¿What do you thing the shape under the eye is?

I was thinking the shape of a Mandragora.
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Markus on January 12, 2007, 08:47:50 am
Hey Lava,

admittedly, I have no idea. :unsure: The figure is a humanoid shape with two bird-heads and a human face on each knee... Well, yes, the lyrics mention mandragora, but why exactly does this figure make you think of that?

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 09:24:21 am
Hey Lava,

admittedly, I have no idea. :unsure: The figure is a humanoid shape with two bird-heads and a human face on each knee... Well, yes, the lyrics mention mandragora, but why exactly does this figure make you think of that?

Cheers!

Markus

Because

"Because their curious bifurcations cause them to have a semblance to the human figure (male and female)"
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Markus on January 12, 2007, 10:23:10 am
Well yes,

but why that very strange figure? The faces on the knees, the two bird-heads - these must have a reason, don't you think?

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 10:32:37 am
Well yes,

but why that very strange figure? The faces on the knees, the two bird-heads - these must have a reason, don't you think?

Cheers!

Markus

Birds??... mm, in the songs are mentioned birds?
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Lucy on January 12, 2007, 10:36:57 am
Well, I think the image is not connected to the concept of GK, because it's printed on the L/SB CD-s too. And that was in 2004.
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 10:42:44 am
Well, I think the image is not connected to the concept of GK, because it's printed on the L/SB CD-s too. And that was in 2004.

Really, I haven/t seen it :s
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Lucy on January 12, 2007, 10:45:27 am
I discovered that a few days ago. :)
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Markus on January 12, 2007, 10:46:36 am
Really, Lucy? Gotta check that when I get home tonight.

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 10:56:51 am
I can't find it ¬¬
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Lucy on January 12, 2007, 11:01:03 am
It's difficult to see it, the surface of the CD is very dark, but if you move it you can catch the right angle of the light. Or it's only on the digipak version? :unsure:
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 11:02:53 am
It's difficult to see it, the surface of the CD is very dark, but if you move it you can catch the right angle of the light. Or it's only on the digipak version? :unsure:

I have the No digipack version and I can't find it
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Lucy on January 12, 2007, 11:05:02 am
OK, later I'll try to make a photo of it. :) (You'll never believe me otherwise :bawl:)
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Lucy on January 12, 2007, 07:55:08 pm
So here we are:
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on January 12, 2007, 08:51:18 pm
Ohh that's why, I was looking on the booklet :nosweat:
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Markus on January 13, 2007, 02:30:38 am
Well observed, oh Diamond Lady,

but I still have no idea what it stands for...

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: The One on January 13, 2007, 02:36:38 am
So this fiugure also appears on the GK artwork...? Interesting...
It may have to do with Abraxas, for remember this God could be represented as a creature with bird or lion head, human torso and serpent limbs or a pain in the neck for our TS members. :lol3:
Or it could be a representation of an Egyptian God, Horus, that could also explain the eye on the cover of GK. But this is only if we look at the head as a bird, like I do when I look at my "Sirius B" CD.

EDIT: I just read the lyrics for "Der Mitternacht Löwe" and at some point it says "Fear the eagle", it could have something to do with this figure.
It could also be a symbol Thomas Ewerhard just came up with. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Nighthawk on January 15, 2007, 11:46:46 am
It kinda looks like a pigeon to me...


The Pigeon of Doom, perhaps?


In all seriousness, I'm just waiting for you guys to figure it out 'cause I'm clueless.
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: TheOFFman on January 15, 2007, 02:26:12 pm
The Pigeon of Doom, perhaps?

LOL!!! The Pigeon of Doom, sounds so cool.  :lol:
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: luisesteban on January 27, 2007, 10:00:20 pm
Wooo I have never see this figure in the L/SB cds....


What could be....should be more than The Pigeon of Doom  :lol:
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: melchiah131 on January 28, 2007, 12:23:28 am
Wooo I have never see this figure in the L/SB cds....


What could be....should be more than The Pigeon of Doom  :lol:
The double headed hawk of doom??????
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Loke on January 28, 2007, 12:31:56 am

  Voodoo doll?


yo yo yo :P
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: luisesteban on January 29, 2007, 06:49:46 am
My mother in law??  :nana:



Naaah....now seriously....do somebody know what the figure is? maybe some one can ask to the band members
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: IronCretin on April 14, 2007, 11:00:30 am
Hmmm, well, I may be TOTALLY off base here, but it MIGHT represent the A'arab Zaraq.  I mean, perhaps it symbolises the balance of Hod and  Netzach in every person (someone also mentioned human faces on the knees, which I can't see, these might represent Adam and Eve, who have an association w/ A'arab Zaraq).  Anyways, that's what I think it might be.  I know Therion has focused on that before, and it seems to make some sense.  If anyone has a better suggestion, or more support for this one, please post a reply.

Also, there is another copy of the same figure on the back of the case (lower right) and on the second to last right hand page (also on the lower right).

~The (Only Trying to Help) Cretin~
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Kmukamtch on April 29, 2007, 03:51:41 am
pigeon of doom? no, behold the chicken of doom!! (see the attach).

now seriusly, i think you may find the answer here http://www.paleolithicartmagazine.org/pagina43.html 


Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on April 30, 2007, 01:26:17 am
I think is the representation of the Nagual
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Kmukamtch on April 30, 2007, 05:25:28 am
the nagual is not a dog?
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Loke on April 30, 2007, 04:26:54 pm
the nagual is not a dog?

  Nahuales can transform in anykind of animal

Nagual or Nahual (both pronounced [na'wal]) is a word used in the study of the religion, mythology, folklore and anthropology of Mesoamerican peoples and which is used with different definitions. It is related to the concept that certain persons are able to take on animal forms, which is present in many Mesoamerican cultures. It is also related to the equally common concept in Mesoamerican cultures of all persons having an animal companion to whom they are spiritually linked throughout their lives.


yo yo yo :)
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: lavaniegosII on May 02, 2007, 12:57:54 am
The Nagual is the Unknow, is like the Dragon concept of D.R.
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Persephone on July 09, 2007, 12:19:10 pm
Hmm... the shape under the eye was the first thing I was wondering about when I bought the album.

But now - excuse me for one of my stupid questions  ;D - who is the man in the booklet?  ???
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Markus on July 09, 2007, 02:31:26 pm
Hi Praha,

the bearded man depicted in the booklet is Johannes Bureus, a Swedish linguist and mystic on whose mystic ideas the whole album is based. The booklet artwork, I think, is also derived from his drawings. Karlsson is writing his doctor thesis on Bureus and his Gothic Kabbalah.

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Persephone on July 09, 2007, 02:59:18 pm
Thanks a lot Markus  ::)
Title: Re: Gothic Kabbalah Image
Post by: Thagirion on November 05, 2007, 01:08:23 am


So... Did you guys figure it out???? Or do i have to explain???  :drunk:


Hehehe just kidding  :biggrin:  I have nooo idea... But it´s strange...