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Main Forum => Music Topic => Other bands!!! => Topic started by: Luth on August 21, 2006, 12:57:22 pm

Title: Sabaton
Post by: Luth on August 21, 2006, 12:57:22 pm
Sabaton: this is the band who will gig with Therion next tour. As a good Therion fan who can't wait for the concert, I've obtained some music from Sabaton (yes, thanks to P2P...  :innocent: ), and I have to say that: woooow, they're good! I've 2 albums, and I think there're only these 2: "Attero Dominatus" (their last release) and "Primo Victoria". Both are amazing, although I like more the "Attero Dominatus". It's something like power metal with a lot of symphonic music, very spectacular. I've heard each one only once, so I have to hear them more, but at the moment I can say they're worth to be the support act for Therion.

If anybody wish to have the albums, please tell me by PM or in Loyal Memebers if you're in. And, if you want to tell us something about Sabaton, this is your thread!

Therion and Sabaton rock!!!!!  :yeha:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Lucy on August 21, 2006, 01:25:53 pm
On www.metal-archives.com  (http://www.metal-archives.com) I saw there's an album named "Fist for Fight" too.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on August 21, 2006, 03:23:58 pm
Thanks for espying that for us, Luth!

That really sounds good. Probably more suitable than any death or black metal band. :)

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on September 10, 2006, 08:28:22 pm
Hi Luth,

I'll try to get "Attero Thingy" from the metal dealer of my trust. If that doesn't work I'll get back to you, and if it does I'll tell you folks what I think. :)

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Elizabeth on September 11, 2006, 10:29:21 am
After you check on them, Markus, please, pretty please, share your opinion. Then I'll know if it's worth.... downl.. buying  :innocent:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Luth on September 23, 2006, 12:15:50 pm
Ok, I've played the three albums some times, and now I can give a bit more documented info:

Sabaton has 3 albums: "Fist for fight" is the first one, from 2000; "Primo Victoria", 2005; and "Attero Dominatus", 2006. The one I like the most is the later one, very near to "Primo Victoria"; perhaps the first one is the one who I enjoy less, although it's not bad! The two latter use more the choirs to produce a feeling of magneficence.

The thing I would critizice is that the songs are a bit too similar, at least in the two latest albums: they might difference their songs  bit more one from the other, to improve their originality, or they'll danger to make their fans bore too soon. But it's only a little problem to solve in newer albums... they're still a young band!

What do you think?  :pop:

EDIT: I'm listening "Fist for Fight" right now, and I might have mistaked with some other album from other band. This album is a bit different from the following two, but not worst in any way: it is so good as the other ones, with the plus that it's more original. Now I can't say which one is my prefered one  :nosweat:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on September 25, 2006, 04:36:27 pm
Hi folks,

I'm still waiting for my ordererd album, but I'll get back to you as soon as I have it.

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on November 23, 2006, 10:19:21 am
I can't wait for singing intro of primo victoria song at the concert :P
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Luth on November 24, 2006, 12:47:01 am
I can't wait for singing intro of primo victoria song at the concert :P

Me neither  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Nighthawk on January 01, 2007, 10:49:09 pm
Yeah... down---buying Sabaton is on my to-do list. Want to know what I'll be in store for when Therion rocks my world this February.

I've read (on Wikipedia, that dark subject of desire) that the vocals are atypical for power metal - baritone/bass, no more, no less.

I have yet to test this claim, but sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: MissSwan on February 06, 2007, 09:11:53 pm
 ^_^ saw them in Budapest... they were entertaining and funny (definitely not what i can say for Grave Digger) but they are not very original... some of their songs sound a lot like Nightwish (Attero Dominatus for ex is more or less Wishmaster re-written)... others like Manowar (the beginning of Rise of Evil is identical to the beginning of Warriors of the World) :shifty: ... and they are too obsessed with Germany, Berlin, Reich, Panzer and so on :blink: ... but all in all enjoyable to see live ^_^
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on February 06, 2007, 09:28:02 pm
Indeed, Miss Swan,

I utterly dislike their lyrics. "The Reich will rise" in a sing-along manner makes me sick, and "Prepare for nuclear attack" is nothing that fits their happy (and admittedly enjoyable) music. But bad or unsuitable lyrics can ruin a song for me, so all in all I'm ot a friend of theirs. Which is not to say that they're not entertaining when seen live.

Cheers, anyway!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Lucy on February 06, 2007, 09:31:00 pm
Indeed, we, Therion fans prefer to hear "the Dragon rise". :) (I'm still listening to Melez)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Elena on February 06, 2007, 09:48:00 pm
hm, I can "ignore" the lyrics of a song . As first band on stage, I´d say they were great - they made the "crowd" move.
But its funny to read, that I am not the only one beeing "disappointed" by Grave Digger - I am sorry, but I have to say without them, this "Therion-Evening" would have been soooo much more enjoyable  -_-
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Luth on February 06, 2007, 11:28:55 pm
To be sincere: if I don't read the lyrics (and I didn't in this case), I hardly understand content enough to know what they are talking about  :nosweat: I think they are good, even before listening them in the concert, altough it's the kind of music I can enjoy for some time, and then it bores me. I arrived when they were finishing their concert (3 songs left, I think), but I liked them a lot more than Grave Digger...

Grave Digger... I had to dowload some music prior the concert, as I had nothing of them: I like their albums, but no one makes me feel anything special. And, on stage, definitively not good.

Luckily, Therion is much better than the two previous bands... in album and, even more, in life!  :yeha:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Nighthawk on February 06, 2007, 11:53:51 pm
I utterly dislike their lyrics. "The Reich will rise" in a sing-along manner makes me sick
Weren't there two Reichs before the third? I'm guessing that one makes you sick.

Why would the Fourth need to be a fascist one?


The last Croatian republic was a fascist state. This one isn't (or so they tell me).

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"Prepare for nuclear attack" is nothing that fits their happy (and admittedly enjoyable) music.
Why not? Blind Guardian is all merry and gay when singing about mass slaughter and human hypocrisy (point in question, Battlefield).


Don't get me wrong - I've yet to hear Sabbaton, so I don't really know the context of the lyrics or anything like that. My point would be that mentioning mass slaughter and actually approving it are two radically different things.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: MightyJoe on February 07, 2007, 12:24:52 am
OMG hawk,you are making wrong image of croatia  :mad: :mad:

Sabaton are ok,I'e heard only 2 songs on concert,but they are good,very fast rhytm(but also nice sound).
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Nighthawk on February 07, 2007, 01:49:05 am
OMG hawk,you are making wrong image of croatia  :mad: :mad:
Wrong image? So the last republic *wasn't* a fascist state? I'm referring, of course, to NDH (which *was* the independent Croatian republic before this one).

As was the case with Germany, we had a screwed-up WW2 policy.


But I digress. If we want to discuss politics and history, we can do so on another thread.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: The One on February 07, 2007, 03:32:32 am
I've just heard one song from them. "Attero Dominatus", actually really interesting. But true, I'd lyrically recomend thsi band toa  friend of mine who is obsessed with WWII.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on February 07, 2007, 04:25:38 am
Heya Hawk,

"Attero Dominatus" is a concept album about the WWII, so it's pretty clear which Reich they are referring to. And their mass slaughter isn't the happy and merry fantasy slaughter in a world of elves and wizards and oh-so-brave humans but a very real one. These aren't lyrcis I could sing (or growl or scream) along from the bottom of my heart, and this spoils the whole band for me, or at least the whole album. This may seem stupid to many metal heads, but this is how I am.

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Lucy on February 07, 2007, 09:06:22 am
Weren't there two Reichs before the third? I'm guessing that one makes you sick.

I think the problem is not related to the "Reiches" but to the ideology behind this word. And if you don't want to seem a Nazi you don't sing about the Reich.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Nighthawk on February 07, 2007, 12:26:46 pm
"Attero Dominatus" is a concept album about the WWII, so it's pretty clear which Reich they are referring to.
As I've said, I didn't know the context. Much obliged for the illumination.

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And their mass slaughter isn't the happy and merry fantasy slaughter in a world of elves and wizards and oh-so-brave humans but a very real one.
They also sing about the slaughter the Crusades brought. That was extremely real and, IMO, idealogically far worse than anything some guy with one ball could cook up. Nazism isn't even a century old - hostile Christianity is two millennia old and still kickin'. (I'm not saying all Christianity is hostile towards everybody else)

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These aren't lyrcis I could sing (or growl or scream) along from the bottom of my heart, and this spoils the whole band for me, or at least the whole album. This may seem stupid to many metal heads, but this is how I am.
No, not at all - I understand. I'm just a person who detests political correctness and sees it as the root of all evil... and who doesn't really have a problem with stuff like that in fiction. It's when they become a reality that we have a problem.

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I think the problem is not related to the "Reiches" but to the ideology behind this word. And if you don't want to seem a Nazi you don't sing about the Reich.
PC.... just don't like it.

Fact vs fiction. Reality vs reality.


To each his own, I guess. Just don't think I condone racism if I write a story about some white guys hanging a black guy. That's fiction. I can write some weird shit and still not mean it.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on February 07, 2007, 12:38:25 pm
Heya Hawk,

that doesn't count  as political correctness because I honestly dislike that stuff.

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Lucy on February 07, 2007, 12:44:52 pm
What does

political correctness

mean?
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Nighthawk on February 07, 2007, 01:21:20 pm
Heya Hawk,

that doesn't count  as political correctness because I honestly dislike that stuff.
Okay. Noted. It's usually PC when people talk about it - and it's sometimes hard to distinguish their own view from that of society.

No harm done, I hope.


For Lucy, straight from Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:
political correctness, noun (1990)
- conformity to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities should be eliminated


Basically, if something could offend someone, it should be avoided. The fact that something always offends somebody is routinely ignored. PC is one of the biggest idiocies of modern society and the primordial stain on free speech.

If you dislike it, alright. If you're offended by it, turn around or hit me - don't use your feelings as the basis of my actions. My girlfriend can get away with that... you can't.


(you being a general you, 'fcourse)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Lucy on February 07, 2007, 02:12:12 pm
Haha, no, Night, I’m not that kind! I have my own reasons to – let me quote Markus – ”dislike that stuff”. I would feel ashamed if I followed any conformity of beliefs without thinking. ;) About avoiding offensive speech: it's not a characteristic of mine either.

By the way I understand your point of view about fiction and reality – you are a writer – but don’t forget the influence that fiction can have on reality – for example books on people. (I could mention a lot of books here.)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on April 07, 2007, 10:38:23 am
I'm a happy girl. I have a photopass for Sabaton concert in Warsaw. :P
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on April 07, 2007, 12:06:52 pm
Congrats, girl! Two years from now you'll be the top promoter for metal concerts in Poland!  :biggrin:

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: The One on April 07, 2007, 06:10:14 pm
Congrats Agnes! Say hello to the band from the Therion community. :D
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on April 13, 2007, 03:20:26 pm
I will :) but please remind me about it a day before :)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on April 29, 2007, 02:03:07 pm
questions to Sabaton prepaired. I will do an interview with them before the show with Maenthis propably in their bus :D
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on April 29, 2007, 06:24:35 pm
Congrats again, Agnes!  :wOOt:

Umm... will we get to see the interview...?

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on April 29, 2007, 10:43:22 pm
of course! if it sounds ok etc..I will upload it to you!
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 02, 2007, 11:41:11 am
Marius Halleland from Thunderbolt wants to answer a couple of questions :) OMG! :D now I have a work..about what to ask :P
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on May 02, 2007, 12:36:10 pm
Not the worst task, I assume. :) Congrats, Agnes! I hope you'll find some good questions.

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 04, 2007, 12:39:40 am
Maenthis helped me and now we have some questions to Sabaton and Thunderbolt too..they travel together in the bus so there won't be any problem to find Pär or Marius :P hehehe of course I'm waiting impatiently to meet them!
ps.. what about my tragic English skill? have to learn each word from my "the new practical english-polish and polish -english dictionary" ;)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on May 04, 2007, 11:42:11 am
You know where to practice, Agnes! :)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 04, 2007, 02:35:39 pm
with you all ;) what about chat? please...;) come to IRC!
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 06, 2007, 05:38:34 pm
OK friends! if you want to say sth to the band, write it to my e-mail address in a document not just in a message! I will print it. :) it's 18.38 here. I wait to 22.00!

EDIT ok...it may be posted here...or in the message :P
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 09, 2007, 05:54:43 pm
some  photos:

Marius, guitarman of Thunderbolt
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4562/epsn0024tn5.jpg)

Mullback
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7656/epsn0030qq8.jpg)

Myhr
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7384/epsn0034la6.jpg)

so clooose ;) Pär
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6655/epsn0036lf5.jpg)

3 guys from Thunderbolt
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5351/epsn0041bk9.jpg)

Sabaton Live
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4861/epsn0121gq2.jpg)

(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2448/epsn0134cm1.jpg)
(http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2313/epsn0153rd8.jpg)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6920/epsn0156rp7.jpg)

case
(http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3034/epsn0021av3.jpg)



plaits made by me ;) beloved Marius :)
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3354/84qs3.jpg)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Sirius13 on May 09, 2007, 06:49:15 pm
Heya Agnes!  Cool photos!  :biggrin:

...hehe, maybe those plaits will start a new trend! 
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Lucy on May 09, 2007, 07:04:06 pm
Haha, cool viking plaits! :lol3:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 09, 2007, 08:00:26 pm
OBELIX!:D
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on May 09, 2007, 11:04:04 pm
Hey Agnes,

so I needn't ask whether the evening was fun.  :wOOt:

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 10, 2007, 09:29:39 pm
it was in the afternoon. :D the evening was full of concerts. there was an afterparty in the night after 4 concerts..mmm...
won't tell you what we were doing...
it was great and I want to repeat it :D as soon as it's possible!
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Markus on May 10, 2007, 11:03:48 pm
Hey Agnes,

there was an afterparty in the night after 4 concerts..mmm...
won't tell you what we were doing...


this is how nasty rumours come to be. :ninja: :lol3:

Cheers!

Markus
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 11, 2007, 01:14:05 pm
it's my secret :)
hehehe I can tell there were a lot of alcohol: beers, whisky...vodka..  :drunk:
and guys after the shower :D hehehe
But I was still talking with Marius.  :whistle:


oh..and I forgot to tell you that I said "hello" etc to the band...to Joakim :) and he said "hello" to you!! really!
 ^_^   :yeha:
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: TheOFFman on May 15, 2007, 04:14:36 pm
OBELIX!:D

 :lol: Seems you really like Sabaton! Nice pictures btw.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on May 17, 2007, 01:27:54 pm
interview with Thunderbolt -> Marius Halleland (before the concert :) )

some words are in Polish, sorry :P

http://www.sendspace.com/file/c1ieee

comments comments! :D it was my first interview ever! and first in English!! :D
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on July 17, 2007, 07:33:58 am
guys will records their show in Antwerpen in Hof Ter Loo venue for their first dvd ;)

interview with sabaton is edited and here it is. it could be great to read your comments!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3g3k9v (http://www.sendspace.com/file/3g3k9v)

remember, I did more than 2 months ago :P
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: The One on July 17, 2007, 03:38:53 pm
Great news Agnes! :thumbup:
I'll give you my comments on the interview after I download it.
BTW, here's something I made especially for you and the rest of NTSMS, honoring Sabaton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xEhDrXXU0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xEhDrXXU0I)
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Agnes on July 26, 2007, 08:31:30 pm
wow! now I can hear what Pär plays every concert ;]
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Loke on July 27, 2007, 02:59:27 am
wow! now I can hear what Pär plays every concert ;]


  I couldnt download the inerview, says that my request is not allowed or smth like that :(


  Did i tell you that i missed you?   :whistle:


yo yo yo
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: The One on July 27, 2007, 04:24:52 am
wow! now I can hear what Pär plays every concert ;]
Actually in the chorus he plays a really boring bass line, so I decided to change it for the rhythm the lead guitar plays. :whistle: But yeah, the rest is in essence untouched.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: Nighthawk on July 27, 2007, 12:25:51 pm
BTW, here's something I made especially for you and the rest of NTSMS, honoring Sabaton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xEhDrXXU0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xEhDrXXU0I)
I feel like that middle finger's meant for me.
Title: Re: Sabaton
Post by: The One on July 27, 2007, 02:55:31 pm
BTW, here's something I made especially for you and the rest of NTSMS, honoring Sabaton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xEhDrXXU0I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xEhDrXXU0I)
I feel like that middle finger's meant for me.
Happens all the time my pinky plays. :whistle: The comment to the video says: "Never mind the obscene signs."
Next time it will not happen, I promise.